Collège universitaire dominicain Dominican <br> University College

Living in the imagination/mind and thinking its real has allowed the human race to experience a lot of hell as its construed by the Theists. Is it not better to try and live in the real world rather than a pious or not so pious imagination.??

Is there not a way/method, based on provable fact that can lead us out of this childish religiosity that divides our exciting and precious world.

Chances are its impossible at a philosophy school like this to get people to think outside their revealed comfie box. Or in fact think....publicly!

Oh well cast the die and see what happens.

If no one replies it means that belief is all you need here and not fact or reason. ( I left logic out because I find it a bit gimmicky)

People with vested interests should/can not do philosophy.

Fiat verum.

Interesting post. Cassirer thinks that if we did not have books we would still have all necessary information. What if we thought of an ideal society, not on an island like More, but on the first reachable planet with life on it which was inhabitable.

It would be excellent, because we could plan for it before it started. WE could write our own book updated with what we have learned since all the books written have begun recording ideas and anchoring factions of humanity . Seems better than updating and re-editing the 100's of thousands of discrepancies and time warps in all the books that have almost succeeded in destroying our planet!

It was easier for all the other books to be written - they came from societies that were much more isolated than people are now. They reflected the knowledge and superstition of the time and locales.

All of the people who live by books would have to be represented. Anslemesque gimcrackery would be out when we write The Book. Yoda will be invited if we can find him! The principle that nothing based solely on belief would be trusted or acted upon without constant review would be paramount. Change would be the grace of the new era. Becoming and being would be the ideal.

WE would probably have to have volunteers representing all book groups who agreed to the principles and would agree write the new book to include only guidelines that would be accepted by all volunteers, The group consensus for the updated and to be updated truth log would be all that was reflected.

Teaching, at least within the 'chosen/volunteers' would emphasize that the only reality was change and that health was when all changed after systematic processing of data and suggestions based on most probable but may change uh 'fact'. Generations after the split should not be hindered with the archaic mindset of earth past. Education should be starting with the young before splitting and while Chosen/Volunteers were writing the book.

Leaving the Earth would be essential and maybe even hurried by its spiraling human-driven self destruction. The people on earth would never allow an updated book to be used to lead a society let alone one that was continually updated and did not allow priority of rightness to the different earth groups. It would mean giving power to the persons acting in concert and discontinuation of present book back up power and remunerative activities.

A period of isolation from earth Bookers by the chosen volunteers would increase chances of a more objective update.


No faith acting ,monitored change process , and a no freezing of the past to anchor the enlightenment-would be the watchwords.


Praise to the enlightened other 'groupness' and becoming would be heard as the new socitys' fruits began to be realized. Guilt, blame ,gossip violence. pain , hierarchy.......would begin to dissolve and strategies for moving together in tune would be optimized..until.........

Pico's struggle freely willed perfection would become " lets become the sky instead of hmm where did this load originally come from that I have to overcome to try to be free to be...


And in the deep other past, through the window of the new horizon the past earth explodes and garbages the near universe!! This was the future of Man ...then and..........no book , on Earth, won!

Hmm.....More was born 600 years too early!

Will there be more ??

MjN

Hi

I haven't run into Yoda but I came across a poem:



Priere

Gloire et loange a toi, (beep), dans les hauteurs
De Ciel, ou tu regnas, et dans les profondeurs
De l'Enfer. ou vancu. tu reves en silence!
Fais que mon ame un jour, sous l'Arbre de Science,
Pres de toi se repose, a l'heure ou sur ton front
Comme un Temple nouveau ses rameaux s'eplanderont!

Les Fleurs Du Mal
Charles Baudelaire

Finally maybe we can eat from the tree of knowledge eh!

Mikie the 1st

If there is a God he is all powerful and all loving
But there is evil
he is all powerful so he can prevent evil
he doesnt
so she is not all loving
but God has to be perfect and all loving

Therefore there is no GOD

darn
mjn

The search for truth is an oxymoron at a school like College Domenican.

Philosophy needs people to believe also- that ideas are 'real'. Hmm they sure have a effect. Maybe reality is known only by effects. Now there's an idea eh!

When you say the word the reality passeth.


In The Demon-Haunted World, Carl Sagan wrote:

Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; ......... of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.

Hmm a thinker , still?

So like Yoda says "Now is never here unless its lost in your becoming- to be discovered in history"

Yoda's always saying things...he's too close to the force to be understood.

Scripture is a line...reality is more hologramishie.....


Yoda